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Pavlo
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Postitus Postitas Pavlo »

Hello!
Help me. I search the ancestors in revisions 18 ages.
But there are questions – help to answer.
1. In the revision of 1739 and later always there are 2 inventories of the same economies – why are they different?
for example
http://www.ra.ee/dgs/_purl.php?shc=EAA.3.1.475:434
http://www.ra.ee/dgs/_purl.php?shc=EAA.3.1.475:438
2. Where to find records in the revisions of 1744 (in 1726 and 1739 found everything!) about
- Loop (Lesna is needed )
- Metsikus – pointing is, and information is not present
- Woljal (Liguste and Ari is needed) – can not find in general?

I ask yet to answer questions
3. What it is this document and that mean columns in it?
http://www.ra.ee/dgs/_purl.php?shc=EAA.1224.3.3:40
4. How is it possible to translate same in to the bottom on the right the last line, in particular, «umande Marri`?
http://www.ra.ee/dgs/_purl.php?shc=EAA.1224.3.3:75
Thank you!
Kirsti Ervola
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Liitunud: Pühapäev 07. Mai 2006, 19:13:05
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Postitus Postitas Kirsti Ervola »

Hello Pavlo,

it seems that the first of the two inventories (p. 433-435) is a draft, as it has not been signed. The second (p. 436-439) apparently is the final one, as it has been signed 18.11.1739 by (the manor's owner?) Wiesenhausen.

The document with the columns deals with the teaching of the principles of the Christian faith to young people. Children from the age of 15 years had to attend instruction by the vicar before they were admitted to the Holy Communion. In the list the vicar has noted their ability to read and their knowledge of the principles.

The second list is of married couples. The bride Marri Körm is a servant, ümmard(aja).

Loop (Loobu) has not been mentioned in the table of contents of 1744 revision, so perhaps it has not been revised at all. Of Metsiku I find only an one-page supplement to the previous revision: Saaga EAA.3.1.481:657, same applies to Woljel: only a list of three free men, all from Finland: Saaga EAA.3.1.481:544
Pavlo
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Postitus Postitas Pavlo »

Dear Kirsti Ervola

Thak You very much for Your answer

I yet wanted to specify
You wrote:
`The document with the columns deals with the teaching of the principles of the Christian faith to young people. Children from the age of 15 years had to attend instruction by the vicar before they were admitted to the Holy Communion. In the list the vicar has noted their ability to read and their knowledge of the principles`

Is it confirmation?

Thank You!
Pavlo
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Postitus Postitas Pavlo »

Dear colleagues!
Please, will report – where is it possible to find the detailed information (books, internet) about life of the Estonian peasantry (including about a faith, serfdom etc.) in a 18-19 age in Russian language?
Kirsti Ervola
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Postitus Postitas Kirsti Ervola »

Yes, confirmation is the ceremony when young people for the first time partake of the Holy communion. A newborn baby is made a member of the christian congregation by christening, and this is 'confirmed' at the first communion.

Confirmation was an important event in the life a young person, as it was the treshold to adulthood. For example, one could not get married before confirmation. So the date of one's confirmation was an essential piece of information in a Personalbuch or in an extract from the church books, Parochialschein.
Pavlo
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Postitus Postitas Pavlo »

Thank You very much!
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